Mad Dog
4:34 Tue Feb 16
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As a west ham fan of many decades, I find it's ALWAYS too early for optimism
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chim chim cha boo
4:01 Tue Feb 16
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Noble is reminiscent of Kevin Nolan on his 99 goals. Everyone wants him to succeed but his legs had gone yet BFS kept putting him in the team.
When your cover for Linguard is Noble (even if you want to go more defensive) your squad is too thin.
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chim chim cha boo
3:56 Tue Feb 16
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I love the optimism but an injury to Linguard, Soucheck or Coufal and it's all over.
We're paper thin.
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Sir Alf
3:45 Tue Feb 16
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LeroysBoots 1:38 Tue Feb 16
Very true. If anyone would "cut his nose to spite his face" though its Comrade Sullivan. As stated, he is currently feeling the pinch ( relatively speaking ) with his property business interests also badly hit and perhaps never to return ( office building occupation in London unlikely to return to packed offices it was now that people have worked out they can work remotely just as inefficiently ( sorry I mean efficiently ;-) ) .
I still find it hard not to fall over laughing when I see him in his Red October/Sean Connery outfit. What is going on psychologically there? Is it a visual power trip thing? Showing he is a commander or worse still does he think it makes him look stylish or even attractive?
Anyway, Sulli and his agents will be waiting for their chance to get back in there and fvck it all up.
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ParadiseLost
3:40 Tue Feb 16
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Sullivan must be dying inside to spoil the party
Kind of doubt it. Any sort of hint that the club might be able to break into the big clubs, or be able to qualify for Europe won’t hurt the sale price. Higher than Spurs and Arsenal both who have had massive investment and carry large debt loads might suggest an interesting investment opportunity for buyers.
The biggest factor that scares of investors is that a purchase might get relegated and the TV money goes away. Add in that we’ve probably half a dozen players who’s value is arguably increasing and that won’t hurt a sale price either.
Where Sullivan and Gold were dumb is not sorting out Moyes contract earlier. Now with Brexit making it harder to bring in overseas managers Moyes next contract is going to be a lot more expensive.
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nychammer
3:29 Tue Feb 16
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Europa league followed by us maintaining and building on it (as opposed to reverting to lower mid table and relegation fodder) is optimism in my books
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ChillTheKeel
3:16 Tue Feb 16
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threesixty 2:40
It's pointless debating anything with you as you're a fucking idiot. I keep telling you to stick to rugby and stop embarrassing yourself on here.
And it's DEFENCE you absolute cringe
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threesixty
2:40 Tue Feb 16
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Chill
"being surrender monkey's "
Says it all. Got fucking 12yr olds talking about football on here.
When Jose was grinding out 1-0 wins at home in his first stint as Chelsea manager with millions of squids of player on the pitch were they "surrendering"?
Defense is not a dirty word mate. Its part of the game.
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Chigwell
2:35 Tue Feb 16
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So long as we beat Spurs on Sunday, I don't really mind if we slip down the table a bit. Provided Moyes can end the season with the squad just as motivated and together as they are right now, I'm really looking forward to the 21/22 season with a new dangerous striker up front and fans returning to the stadium.
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LeroysBoots
1:38 Tue Feb 16
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Moyes has Sullivan by the balls, and he knows it
He is dragging the club kicking and screaming in to the modern age, slowly but surely
His stock is massive now, he can dictate to the dwarf Russian wannabe pretty much what he wants
Long may scouting over agents picks be the way forward
Sullivan must be dying inside to spoil the party by reverting to type and bringing in a recommended players from his mates
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ChillTheKeel
1:35 Tue Feb 16
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threesixty 12:42 Tue Feb 16
You do realise he's always had a side far inferior in squad to the big teams?
You make it look like its normal or expected that lower league teams should regularly beat squads worth 750m?
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What, you mean like Bilic did a few years ago? And yet again you've done fuck all on this thread but spew contradictory and nonsensical bollocks. You bang on about the importance of a balanced approach whilst having this bizarre notion that the only alternative to being surrender monkey's vs the bigger clubs is to go all out gung-ho
As for you inexplicable drivel regarding Brazil.....
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The Fonz
1:11 Tue Feb 16
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Sir Alf 12:46 Tue Feb 16
Good post.
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alfie romeo
1:03 Tue Feb 16
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Agree with a lot of the comments on here that European football next season with the current owners would mean a poor league campaign. Has to be good and proper financial backing for squad depth and sustainability.
With no real youth prospects knocking on the door, buying a couple of Brentford players through their moneyball system each summer won't suffice.
Surely someone has to buy ius seeing what Moyes is doing on a shoestring? Someone had bought Burnley FFS!
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dm
12:55 Tue Feb 16
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It would just be so great to finish above Arsenal. Along with Manchester United, they are the only club we haven't finished above since 1986.
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Nick QQQ
12:49 Tue Feb 16
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I'd love to see us do it, but as discussed on plenty of other threads our failure to invest in another striker and general lack of depth in the squad will be our downfall.
We played Sheff Utd yesterday who are terrible the next 2 or 3 games will tell us where we will end up.
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Dudley Moore
12:48 Tue Feb 16
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I reckon we'll end up about 8th or 9th. Still a huge improvement on last season. Invest in the summer and a euro spot could be on the cards.
I would still prefer an FA Cup win over a league placing, but that's just me. I'd happily take both.
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Sir Alf
12:46 Tue Feb 16
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I always like to refer to the "big teams" as the "rich teams".
The media has always avoided this of course as it sort of undermines the whole professional game but its actually the truth. Not ever season of course but over time those with the most resources ( richest ) win 90+ % of all competitions. The cartel is completed by the fact they get even more money by winning some of these competitions.
A kind of glass ceiling for 95% of the teams. You get the odd exception ( Leicester ) and of course if mega billionaires take over a team ( City ) but breaking into that rich club is very hard. That means top six every season. Leicester are giving it a go, lets hope we are next but its going to be different and a squad and team built on a budget via the RB Liepzig model I am guessing since that is Moyes strategy or at least he mentions them a lot. Leicester have been investing more than most over multiple seasons and getting recruitment right. Spurs were going down that route and buying players with resale value but grew inpatient after losing that Champions League final, then falling down next season as a result. Worse thing ( best thing in our opinion ) was changing manager to one who wants money to buy expensive players at a time when its short after building a stadium etc.
We have to look for step by step improvement under Moyes who has the added problem of egomaniacs / narcissists running the club. It might be one step forward, one step back over a few seasons and may well take 5 - 10 season to just regularly get us in the top 8 ( Everton Mk II).
In the end us fans may end up being the problem in that sense. Patience is not something you see much of in todays' entitled, instant gratification culture.
Optimism ? Even I am more optimistic looking forward as compared to the last 35 years. But that probably means the kiss of death and Moyes will go off to manage Spurs. But he is probably the best fit for the type of owners we have and have always had at West Ham.
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threesixty
12:42 Tue Feb 16
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Chil
"why a man with such a woeful record against them has no desire whatsoever to change it."
You do realise he's always had a side far inferior in squad to the big teams?
You make it look like its normal or expected that lower league teams should regularly beat squads worth 750m?
You also do realise that if you beat everyone outside the top 4 teams in a season your likely to win the league or at least be in the top 4?
As Fergie once said, 3 points is 3 points. Its not that important where you get them from is it?
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Northern Sold
12:29 Tue Feb 16
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Doing really well and it's great to see... especially against those mid/lower table teams.... next step we got to take it to the Big Boys...
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Side of Ham
12:27 Tue Feb 16
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If we got into the CL gank, it would be the most pressure the owners have been under and the media would rip them a new one even before we did our ‘I told you so’....so it will not happen and Moyes will be given a nod to hang back from this.....
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boltkunt
12:23 Tue Feb 16
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With any other owners, it would be possible.
With the current cunts in charge, not so much.
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